Mouse Switches

In my my quest to find a mouse with soft, spammable clicks…

Superlight Pro X was bad. super heavy and clinky clicks.

  • I think they use omron optical switches.

Mechanical switches » optical switches.

Currently using Lamzu maya which use Huano blue shell pink dot, which are also a bit hard (actuation force of 70 +- 10g)

  • Black shell pink dot seem softer, as people have “found the regulars (bspd) to be a bit stiff and the transparent (transparent shell pink dot) to be harsh and sharp.”
  • Kailh gm8.0s are about the same.

Omron D2FC-f-7n (55-58g) are soft and spammable, which my old logitech G900 had. But the mouse was too heavy.

D2F-F-3-7 switches are also “Japanese omrons” that are slightly heavier (60-65g force). They get close to d2fc-01f

“Zowie’s overall build quality and coating are much better. I’ve had two Vaxee wireless mice that had creaking, XE wireless and the NP-01s wireless. Their wired mice didn’t have this issue for me however. The Zowie EC3-CW and the Zowie U2 have had phenomenal build quality, and something about the coating and the type of plastic used feels soft and kind of molds to the way you grip it. For comparison, I found Vaxee to feel more solid, which is preference but I like the way Zowie mice feel in hand. The Zowie U2 had mediocre clicks, nowhere close to the solid quality of Vaxee’s. In short I would choose a Zowie or Endgame Gear mouse for most premium.”

Conclusion: Omron D2F-01F or Japanese Omron switches seem good.

Equipment

How to upgrade the switches in your gaming mouse

For replacing switches and using custom ones:

  • Soldering Iron Kit w/ desoldering pump.
  • Helping hands (KOTTO is nb).
  • Mouse switches.
  • Electric screw driver (by iFu Mini)
  • Heat resistant magnetic soldering mat (by HPFIX); soldering stations

NC Pins

“D2F-01F by miles, but please use the NC pins like zauenkoening does with m1k m2k instead of the usual denounce..”

NC (Normally Closed) Pins:

  • Using NC (Normally Closed) pins in a switch circuit essentially means configuring the switch to be in an “on” position by default, completing the circuit even without pressing. When pressed, it interrupts the circuit.
  • Mice like the Zaunkoenig M1K and M2K use this technique to minimize debounce delay and reduce “ping.”

Debounce Delay and Ping:

  • Ping in switches often refers to a delay or residual vibration in the switch after pressing, which can lead to unintended double-clicks or a delayed feel.
  • Debounce is a common feature in gaming mice designed to filter out “bounces” (small, unintended clicks or vibrations) after pressing a button. While this helps prevent double-clicking, too much debounce delay can slow down the click responsiveness, which is undesirable for fast-spamming actions.

Benefit of NC Pins for Reducing Ping:

  • By using NC pins instead of the default Normally Open (NO) configuration, you can reduce debounce delay and make the click feel snappier. This approach helps reduce the likelihood of any unwanted ping or delay after each click, making it highly suitable for rapid, continuous clicking.

The commenter is suggesting using the D2F-01F switches with NC pins, as seen in ultra-light gaming mice like the M1K/M2K, to optimize for low latency, minimal ping, and fast debounce, resulting in a more responsive and spammable clicking experience.

The NC (Normally Closed) and NO (Normally Open) pins are actually part of the switch itself. Here’s a breakdown:

Switch Pin Configuration (NC and NO Pins):

  • Many switches, especially mechanical ones like the Omron D2F-01F, come with multiple pins that allow different wiring configurations.
  • NO (Normally Open): This is the default configuration for most mouse switches. It means the circuit is open (disconnected) until you press the switch, closing the circuit to register a click.
  • NC (Normally Closed): In this configuration, the circuit is closed (connected) by default, so it’s “on” even without pressing. Pressing the switch breaks the circuit, sending a signal when the circuit opens.

Usage in Mouse Modding:

  • For ultra-responsive gaming mice like the Zaunkoenig M1K/M2K, using the NC pins helps reduce debounce delay by taking advantage of the immediate connection change. This allows the mouse to process clicks faster, making it ideal for low latency and high click spam.
  • Most consumer mice use the NO pins because it’s simpler and more common in design, but advanced configurations using NC pins can optimize click response time.